Wednesday, April 06, 2005
So nakedly partisan I can see up its colon
Carter denied visit to papal funeral by White House
From MSNBC:
WASHINGTON - President Bush and two of his predecessors on Wednesday left for Rome and Pope John Paul II's funeral Friday, but missing from the delegation was Jimmy Carter, the only U.S. president to have welcomed the late pontiff to the White House.
Hmmm...I wonder what the reason for that was? Must have been space; MSNBC reports that the Vatican has limited the U.S. delegation to five people. So who were the lucky five who made the cut?
The president was leading a small U.S. delegation that included former President Clinton and Bush’s father, the first President Bush, first lady Laura Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.
Are you kidding me?!!
The White House couldn't fit one of the most humanitarian presidents ever (not to mention the only one ever to host the pope at the White House) on the delegation, yet there's room for Condoleezza Rice? Isn't it bad enough that three of the five people representing our country are Bushes without snubbing the one ex-president who deserves to be there the most? And did he really have to be replaced by the worst Secretary of State and National Security Adviser in recent memory?
Assuming that the snub was indeed not partisan as the White House claims (big assumption), then couldn't Bush at least have chosen someone a little less up his ass? I would settle even for Nancy Reagan. But Condi? Give me a break.
And given that the Senate is sending a 14-member delegation (including Ted Kennedy, John Kerry and non-Catholic Bill Frist) and the House 24 (including non-Catholic Speaker Dennis Hastert), couldn't they have fit Carter in SOMEWHERE?
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¶ 2:09 PM From MSNBC:
WASHINGTON - President Bush and two of his predecessors on Wednesday left for Rome and Pope John Paul II's funeral Friday, but missing from the delegation was Jimmy Carter, the only U.S. president to have welcomed the late pontiff to the White House.
Hmmm...I wonder what the reason for that was? Must have been space; MSNBC reports that the Vatican has limited the U.S. delegation to five people. So who were the lucky five who made the cut?
The president was leading a small U.S. delegation that included former President Clinton and Bush’s father, the first President Bush, first lady Laura Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.
Are you kidding me?!!
The White House couldn't fit one of the most humanitarian presidents ever (not to mention the only one ever to host the pope at the White House) on the delegation, yet there's room for Condoleezza Rice? Isn't it bad enough that three of the five people representing our country are Bushes without snubbing the one ex-president who deserves to be there the most? And did he really have to be replaced by the worst Secretary of State and National Security Adviser in recent memory?
Assuming that the snub was indeed not partisan as the White House claims (big assumption), then couldn't Bush at least have chosen someone a little less up his ass? I would settle even for Nancy Reagan. But Condi? Give me a break.
And given that the Senate is sending a 14-member delegation (including Ted Kennedy, John Kerry and non-Catholic Bill Frist) and the House 24 (including non-Catholic Speaker Dennis Hastert), couldn't they have fit Carter in SOMEWHERE?
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I wasn't aware that angering a country or two hampered the ability to go to the pope's funeral. Based on our top delegation alone, it would seem dumb to assume that.
GS, don't forget about that Nobel Prize winning success in North Korea. If history is any indicator, Carter's presence would bring about the inevitable announcement by Cardinal Angelo Sodano that the Soverign Nation of the Vatican has attained nuclear weapons and will not hesitate nuke Italy in their own defense.
Although I do have to say, I'd rather see Carter show up than Kerry or Kennedy. Carter may not be Catholic, but Kerry and Kennedy are outright heretics.
Memo to Papal funeral attendees: Don't stand too close to either of those guys during the funeral lest you be struck by a stray bolt of lightning.
Although I do have to say, I'd rather see Carter show up than Kerry or Kennedy. Carter may not be Catholic, but Kerry and Kennedy are outright heretics.
Memo to Papal funeral attendees: Don't stand too close to either of those guys during the funeral lest you be struck by a stray bolt of lightning.
jimmy carter needs to get over himself. you dont see G. Ford begging to get invited on the "roadtrip"
Manning...did you even read the rest of the story?
Carter had hoped to go as well, but backed off when told the Vatican had limited the official delegation to five “and there were also others who were eager to attend,” said Jon Moore, a spokesman for the Carter Center in Atlanta....
The only other living former president, Gerald Ford, is 91 and in frail health.
Yeah...that Carter. What a whiner.
Carter had hoped to go as well, but backed off when told the Vatican had limited the official delegation to five “and there were also others who were eager to attend,” said Jon Moore, a spokesman for the Carter Center in Atlanta....
The only other living former president, Gerald Ford, is 91 and in frail health.
Yeah...that Carter. What a whiner.
You're probably right to be suspicious, but I will go glass half full and say Prez Carter was probably just too busy building a house for the need to make it . . . . . okay so he was boned.
"Former President George H.W. Bush and former President Bill Clinton juggled their schedules to make the trip to Rome, but former President Jimmy Carter stayed home. Carter said he gave up his seat when he learned that the official delegation would be limited to five people."
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/politics/11327345.htm
Try reading ALL the news Ian, instead of what only fits your narrow worldview.
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/politics/11327345.htm
Try reading ALL the news Ian, instead of what only fits your narrow worldview.
I'm freakin' sorry, but Jimmy Carter gave up his "non partisan" credentials some time ago. Aside from the fact that he took the initiative and backed off, Carter has done nothing but dump on Bush, in public and overseas, about foreign policy. Clinton, otoh, has been circumspect in his criticisms of Bush's foreign policies, especially with regard to both Iraq and North Korea.
Especiallly since Bill Clinton now knows that the Peanut Farmer sold him a huge bill of goods back in 1994, I'm not sure that Bill feels all that well disposed towards the self-important Carter. For his part, Carter never bothered to actually ask GW Bush the latter's point of view behind both Iraq and North Korea before accepting that erzatz Nobel prize.
Maybe if Jimmy Carter had actually convinced Fidel to have held a freaking free election in Cuba, I might have seen your point. However, since he's done nothing but go down and backslap ol' Jefe Maximo and Hugo Chavez (Mini Jefe Maximo), I don't think Condi should have been moved to the back of the bus just to satisfy your liberal sensibilities.
Especiallly since Bill Clinton now knows that the Peanut Farmer sold him a huge bill of goods back in 1994, I'm not sure that Bill feels all that well disposed towards the self-important Carter. For his part, Carter never bothered to actually ask GW Bush the latter's point of view behind both Iraq and North Korea before accepting that erzatz Nobel prize.
Maybe if Jimmy Carter had actually convinced Fidel to have held a freaking free election in Cuba, I might have seen your point. However, since he's done nothing but go down and backslap ol' Jefe Maximo and Hugo Chavez (Mini Jefe Maximo), I don't think Condi should have been moved to the back of the bus just to satisfy your liberal sensibilities.
Nobody ever said Carter had a "seat," only that the official delegation was limited to 5 people. Perhaps what McClellan meant by "reaching out" to Carter was that they offered a seat on the plane, but not in the official delegation - a snub that doesn't look like a snub.
Carter wouldn't dicker over such a thing - looks petty.
But you couldn't blame him for demurring at sitting next to Santorum with the Congressional delegation.
Carter wouldn't dicker over such a thing - looks petty.
But you couldn't blame him for demurring at sitting next to Santorum with the Congressional delegation.
Chris, you're basically admitting that this delegation was chosen for its loyalty to Bush. That is DISGUSTING. How can anyone defend that? And why would anyone (least of all Carter) seek out Bush's opinion on foreign policy when it's obvious that Bush has never considered any outsider's opinion himself?
Alday, I agree with donzelion that Carter took it well, at least publicly. Yeah, you might say that appeasement is one reason that Carter was a one-term president. On the other hand, I still stick to my contention that Carter was summarily far more of a leader and a more pious individual than Bush II. Knock down his Nobel Peace Prize all you want; you know Bush is never going to get one.
Alday, I agree with donzelion that Carter took it well, at least publicly. Yeah, you might say that appeasement is one reason that Carter was a one-term president. On the other hand, I still stick to my contention that Carter was summarily far more of a leader and a more pious individual than Bush II. Knock down his Nobel Peace Prize all you want; you know Bush is never going to get one.
Though I don't agree with many of his policies, I think Bill would still be a pretty cool guy to sit down and have a beer with. However, I wouldn't be able to stand sitting with and talking to Jimmy Carter. I'd probably end up punching the old man in the face, then be in trouble for it. I'm sure Dubya felt the same way as me.
Another note, I think it's great that Bill takes Hillary NOWHERE with him. I certainly can't blame him. Hell, I really can't blame him for cheating on her. He just should have done better. He was the freakin' president, and the best he could do was Paula Jones and Monica??
Another note, I think it's great that Bill takes Hillary NOWHERE with him. I certainly can't blame him. Hell, I really can't blame him for cheating on her. He just should have done better. He was the freakin' president, and the best he could do was Paula Jones and Monica??
Nick, I think that's a lot of people's problem; they vote for the best drinking buddy. That is wrong. It's not as if we hire anyone else that way. I, for one, would much rather have a wonk in the White House than a party boy with no credentials.
I wouldn't read too much into Hillary not being there, as fun as that might be for conservatives. Clinton probably figured it was better to have heads of state as the delegation, something that apparently didn't occur to Bush II. Moreover, I'd personally rather have a wife with a voice than one who stays quiet and defers to me at every turn. I find that creepy.
I wouldn't read too much into Hillary not being there, as fun as that might be for conservatives. Clinton probably figured it was better to have heads of state as the delegation, something that apparently didn't occur to Bush II. Moreover, I'd personally rather have a wife with a voice than one who stays quiet and defers to me at every turn. I find that creepy.
Nick - how can you possibly detest Carter so much? The guy gave an interview to Playboy for crying out loud. Can't be that bad to sit down with.
I got to sit down with Carter once (at the very far end of a very big table, anyway): I'll vouch for his sense of humor.
Didn't show well on TV (during that post-Watergate era when press stuck it to politicians).
I've qualms on pieces of Carter's foreign policy - Iran, E. Timor, Afghanistan debacles - but then again, after Vietnam, what could be expected?
I got to sit down with Carter once (at the very far end of a very big table, anyway): I'll vouch for his sense of humor.
Didn't show well on TV (during that post-Watergate era when press stuck it to politicians).
I've qualms on pieces of Carter's foreign policy - Iran, E. Timor, Afghanistan debacles - but then again, after Vietnam, what could be expected?
James Earl Carter's speech at last year's Demo convention was quite partisan and an an all-out hit piece on the disrespectful piece of crap who currently occupies the White House. Face it, we're dealing with petty people in this administration. Given that Clinton is already shaming Bushie in Rome, two Dems would be just too much for his image-handlers.
I feel bad for Jimmy Carter. I think he would have enjoyed watching President Bush get booed when he showed his face over there...
Some people outside St. Peter's Square booed and whistled when the his face was shown on giant video monitors set up for the thousands who couldn't get into the square.
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Some people outside St. Peter's Square booed and whistled when the his face was shown on giant video monitors set up for the thousands who couldn't get into the square.
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